This was an interview by correspondence I conducted with an old friend from the University of Essex student movement, Gawain Williams for his dissertation. It details the very small part I played in the anti-war movement.
What I Did During The War
Me at the demo against the labour party conference in 2006 |
What class, if any would you consider yourself to be a part
of? And what do you consider to be a
class?
I think that the Marxist class categories reflect the
reality of class better than the traditional British way of dividing things
into Upper, Middle and lower/working class.
That said the British way reflects an ’Identity’ in terms of how people
define themselves, which despite a more tenuous basis in social reality has a
reality of its own. Personally I find it
very complicated to pin down a class for myself. My Parents are from working class backgrounds
but made good, my Dad is a classic baby Boomer, born 1947 and was among the
first generation to benefit from free education. Him and my Mum I’d argue are intelligensia,
i.e. proletarian in regards to their relationship with the means of production
but with their intellectual labour power being exploited rather than physical. Aside from being a student I’ve only really
had fairly menial jobs, white collar but essentially proletarian in terms of my
relationship to what I produce and the means of production.
Anyway,
you could make a good case for Middle or Working class depending on your
definition, and if you really want to push it, Lower middle or Upper working
class etc.
Are you a member of a Party or where you during you involvement in
the anti war movement?
I have been in the Irish and British SWP.
Were you involved in any Anti War / Peace movements before the
2001 War on Terror began?
No.
Were you involved in any other political activity before
participating in anti war demonstrations?
I was at some of the earliest of the current crop of
Anti-Capitalist demonstrations in Belfast back in 2000. I also demonstrated over student issues when
I was at the Belfast tech around the same time.
How were you involved in the Anti War Movement?
I attended
and helped leaflet for protests in Ireland before I went to Colchester, George
bush’s visit to Dublin in 2005, Shannon Airport protest in September the same
year etc. When I moved to Essex
university campus to begin my masters degree I made it a priority to get
involved with the Anti-War movement on Campus.
Along with Dominic Kevakeb I helped start the STWC branch on campus, I
was involved in the stall and postering for the March 18th 2006
demonstration, which I also attended.
What motivated you to join the movement?
The feeling that something unutterably wrong was
happening. By the time of the war in
Iraq I was a fairly well-versed Anti-Capitalist Marxist and I felt that it was
the sort of thing I should have been involved in if I was serious about my
beliefs.
Why did you attend speeches on the War? I.e. personal learning or
meeting other activists?
I wanted to learn the
arguments so I could argue in my own right to convince other people we were
right. I wanted facts and data I could
quote. I try to talk to people that
aren’t engaged and there are a lot of myths and misconceptions that are
perpetrated through the media. I don’t think
in terms of conspiracy so much as institutional bias, though there is some
deliberate misinformation floating about I would agree with Nick Davies
assessment that it accounts for only about 5-10% of the bullshit. Anyway, there is a wide barrier of crap
between the average punters idea of whats happening and what is actually going
on and I like to hear from the experts so I can build a few wrecking balls for
that barrier.
Did / Do you Believe your actions would/ Will help end the War?
Not in the immediate short term but eventually, yes.
Do you think the anti war movement could have been more
successful?
In the abstract sense that anything can always be better
because there’s no such thing in reality as perfection, yes it could have
been. I mean we haven’t ended the war
yet have we? A prolonged general strike
back in 2003 could have done it but the unions were in no shape for a fight
like that. I think the objective
conditions have moved on and an industrial action in the event of an attack on
Iran is looking lige a possibility.
Still you have to remember that the working class movement had had the
last 20 years of having the shit kicked out of it. That we achieved what we did was fantastic.
What were the most successful, and least successful activates you
took part in?
Hard to quantify that sort of thing. Most Successful was probably the stormont
demo in 2007. We took over the stand
that was set up for the press and absolutely scared the bejesus out of the
Stormont security people. Least, well
there were a couple of meetings that weren’t very well attended and ended up
with just the usual suspects preaching to the converted.
Do you think that Colchester having a large military presence
helped or hindered your actions in anyway?
I didn’t really do a lot of activism off campus in
Colchester itself, so it wasn’t really an issue for me.
Do you see you involvement in the stop the war movement as
distinctly separate from other political activates you’re involved in?
Well, yes and no.
Considering that when me and Dom (Dominic Kavakeb) arrived the SWSS branch was moribund,
there wasn’t a STWC Soc. on campus and that was the first year of Student
Respect, we more or less had to get everything up and running ourselves. In my recollection everything did kind of
blur into everything else. That said, we
were all aware that that isn’t how it was supposed to be, I remember Dom
talking about getting different people to chair the different meetings because
it was him doing a lot of the work.
Also, at any given time when we were actually doing stuff it was always
a particular thing we were doing it for.
EG. If there was a stall there was always a load of stuff on the stall
to say what the stall was about. There
were people who were involved in the Respect and STWC stuff who were from
outside the party and wouldn’t have done anything for SWSS but would leaflet
and poster with us for Anti-War stuff.
Alys wasn’t in the party at this point and would have done a lot of
stuff with us for STWC, bringing materials up from London, and being with us on
the stall. Erkhan was another. Adam used to confuse me, he was in the SP,
allegedly he ran the SP in Campus, but he went to all the STWC meetings and
seemed to be around a lot, I was actually under the mistaken impression that
the SP were in Respect.
Do you discuss your involvement in the anti war movement with your
family?
Yes a lot actually.
My Dad was politically engaged when he was my age, he’s still
technically a member of the Workers Party, or so he says. My Mum’s never been very political but it’s a
big part of my life so its something we’d talk about. Each of them have been on Anti-War marches in
Belfast largely thanks to myself.
Are there any newspaper headlines concerning the war that you
remember?
Nah, I don’t read the papers.
Did you find that social aspects of the anti war movement made
involvement easier?
It was nice and all but I was never into the whole social
side of it. I suppose the best way to
put it is that even if everyone else in the movement were a bunch of
anti-social dicks I’d have done it anyway, so the social aspect was pure gravy.
Did the war effect your voting?
Not really.
Did you attend anti war events on the campus?
Attended and helped run a few.
Did you attend any events outside of Colchester?
Yes, Colchester was one full year within an involvement
over the last couple of years.
Did you carry out any political actions with people from the anti
war moment that did not relate directly to the war/ i.e. anti racism /
elections?
Yes, election work and work around local issues in Belfast
Would you still have been involved in / attended anti war
meetings, lecture, and protests if the war had been carried out by the UN or
NATO?
Yes. In fact I
expected at the time that the UN would go along with the Americans, that they
didn’t just compounded my take on things, not swayed it.
Do you see the 1990-91 gulf war as distinctively different from
the current occupation of Iraq?
Yes and no. It’s
all a part of the great game of America extending its global hegemony, however
I see the two invasions as representing different stages in the project.
Were you involved in any protests against the 1990-91 Gulf war?
I remember shouting “Up Sadam” at a couple of Brits and
running away when I was a kid. Does that
count? LOL. I remember my P6 teacher being very Gung-Ho
and explaining the war to us. I think I
said something like “Aye but what about Isreal, they’ve done all sorts and
America doesn’t go after them cause they’re all mates”. I knew absolutely nothing about it, I think
I’d heard that on TV and it sounded good, but it did the trick, his face went
black and he started making half-arsed excuses and just not explaining things
very well.
Stop the war coalition uses the term ‘war’ to encompass a number
of issue such as the military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan , torture in Guantanamo Bay detention camp, the occupation of
Palestine , the Israeli military operation in Lebanon and government reactions
to Iran. What do you
see as the main aims of the anti war movement?
To engage people.
The specific aims are to get the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and
prevent any future wars with Iran. Gitmo
is obviously related to this. Palestine
and the Lebanon situation involve Israel, which is the central cause of
instability in the Middle East and the central prop of American imperialism, on
the basis of pure tactics you can’t have a lasting peace in the Middle East
while the issue of Israel-Palestine is unresolved, so its definitely in there.
Religion was depicted as being important in the war on terror with
George Bush even claiming to be on a mission from god. Did this interpretation
of religion differ from you own and did it effect your involvement in the anti
war movement?
The notion of religion and how much religion itself is a
problem or just the way conflict is expressed is a major question in how you
approach the situation we had back home in Northern Ireland.
I had it fairly straight in my head that religion doesn’t create
problems on it’s own well before the war.
Do you think technology played an important role in your
participation?
Nah, if anything the internet is a distraction for
activists IMO. The fight is on the
streets, sitting at home arguing with idiots online is fun but you never really
win.
Did you continue working in the Anti war movement once you left
Colchester?
Yes.
Is there anything at all you would like to say about your
involvement the campaigns?
Just that
while we weren't able to Stop the War and the Respect Party, which came out of
the Anti-War movement has hit some serious problems in the last year, I think
it was all worth while. If we hadn't done what we did I have no doubt that they would be in Iran now and threatening
god only knows who else.
And that was the end of that. Looking back on it there are not many answers to those questions that I would have changed, except that my cynicism of the Left and its flaws is better informed by experience, yet I do not consider my time around the movements to have been wasted, nor do I let cynicism over-rule my natural romantic/optimistic streak, and god knows I have had plenty of excuses to do so.
In retrospect the Iraq War was part of the testing process for our post-information technological revolution generation. It was one we failed to some extent however to quote Finn The Human, failing is just the first step to getting really good at something. I did a little for the movement, more than most but not as much as I should have.
And that was the end of that. Looking back on it there are not many answers to those questions that I would have changed, except that my cynicism of the Left and its flaws is better informed by experience, yet I do not consider my time around the movements to have been wasted, nor do I let cynicism over-rule my natural romantic/optimistic streak, and god knows I have had plenty of excuses to do so.
In retrospect the Iraq War was part of the testing process for our post-information technological revolution generation. It was one we failed to some extent however to quote Finn The Human, failing is just the first step to getting really good at something. I did a little for the movement, more than most but not as much as I should have.
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